Editor’s note: A bipartisan panel of Texas House and Senate lawmakers were scheduled to hear from at least 17 state and local leaders during a July 23 hearing about the state’s response to the July 4-5 flooding in Central Texas. Live updates are below.
Updated 2 p.m. July 23
Rep. Wes Virdell, a first-term Republican who represents the Kerrville area, noted that “people have become desensitized to flash flood warnings or alerts on their phone over time.”
The National Weather Service issued multiple alerts related to the storm and declared a “flash flood emergency” for Kerr County around 4 a.m. July 4, Community Impact reported, although officials have said some residents and visitors missed or did not receive the warnings. Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick told Community Impact he thought the flooding was so deadly because it “came while everyone was sleeping.”
“Some didn’t wake up. They never heard the storm was coming, and they lost their lives,” Patrick said in a July 8 interview.
Virdell asked officials July 23 what lawmakers can do to ensure as many people receive emergency alerts as possible.
Texas Department of Public Safety Director Freeman Martin said DPS typically sends out AMBER alerts and other warnings at the request of local officials. He said he is sometimes “hesitant” to issue alerts when they impact a large area, because it is important to spread critical information while avoiding alert fatigue.
“I have friends where my [emergency alerts] will go off in a restaurant, and theirs do not, because they have them silenced,” Martin told the committee.
Martin said he did not have an immediate solution to the issue.
Updated 1:20 p.m. July 23
After the second set of panelists laid out their agencies’ response to the July 4 floods, Rep. Ann Johnson, D-Houston, asked officials to provide “the most honest assessment of what went wrong.”
“This is not a normal hearing—this is a hearing to try to figure out how 137 people died,” Johnson said July 23. “I think our honest, genuine question that the families across Texas are demanding is: What do we need to do better, or what went wrong?”
Texas Department of Public Safety Director Freeman Martin said during his testimony that “several casualties” occurred because people drove on flooded roadways, including Michael Phillips, the former Marble Falls Volunteer Fire Chief, who went missing while responding to a rescue call early July 5. The fire department announced the “end of watch” for Phillips in a July 15 social media post.
The Kerrville police chief also nearly drove into floodwaters, Martin said.
“We’re presented with a slide that says we monitor roadway conditions and close them, and not five minutes earlier, we heard that the chief of police in [Kerrville] drove into the water and almost got washed away,” Johnson said. “Why didn’t you close the road? Did you not have the proper monitoring system? Did you not have the proper radar system? Were we not getting the data of what’s actually happening in real time?”
Texas Department of Transportation Chief Engineer Carl Johnson said the agency needed to “assess all the low-water crossings” and determine ways to more effectively predict conditions in advance of future disasters.
Carl Johnson said July 23 that there are 420 low-water crossings in Central Texas, approximately 340 of which are located in rural areas. It costs about $30,000 to install and maintain stream gauges and barriers for each crossing.
“So we’re looking at about $10.2 million to get them all covered [in rural areas],” Sen. José Menéndez, D-San Antonio, said.
Updated 12:30 p.m. July 23
Kidd concluded speaking to the committee at 12:30 p.m., after about 3 hours of questions from lawmakers.
“I don’t ever want to go through this again,” he said. “I know none of you do, and we don’t want the heartbreak for any other families in Texas. We’ve got to figure this out.”
The second panel consisted of Texas Department of Public Safety Director Freeman Martin; Ronald VanderRoest, director of law enforcement for the Texas Parks and Wildlife Department; Texas Department of Transportation Chief Engineer Carl Johnson; and Public Utility Commission of Texas Executive Director Connie Corona.
As of July 23, Martin said two people remained missing as a result of the July 4 weekend floods. He noted that it has been difficult for medical examiners to identify some flood victims, because of “what the water does to the human body.”
Updated 11 a.m. July 23
Texas Division of Emergency Management Chief Nim Kidd told the committee that under state statute, all disasters in Texas are locally managed.
“Elected mayors and county judges are the emergency management directors for their communities,” Kidd said July 23. “Our job at the state… is to support local efforts to augment capacity and capability. I always say we are responsible, but we are not in charge—the responsibility of being in charge rests with local officials.”
Kidd’s remarks echoed what U.S. Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem said July 11, when President Donald Trump and other federal leaders visited disaster zones in Kerr County. Noem, whose department includes the Federal Emergency Management Agency, said at the time that natural disasters are best handled at the state level with federal assistance.
Kidd highlighted multiple policies that he would like state lawmakers to look into, including:
- Improving communications among first responder agencies
- Implementing a better emergency warning system
- Determining how to best handle mass fatalities after natural disasters
- Establishing certification requirements to become a local emergency manager
- Creating standard procedures for volunteers who respond to disasters
Kidd said that when he arrived in Kerr County early July 4, some local first responders were using “really cheap Chinese radios.”
“We’re better than that; we can do better than that. We need to,” Kidd said.
During the regular legislative session, which ended June 2, House lawmakers passed a bill that would have created a state interoperability council, required emergency management officials to develop new emergency alert systems and provided funding to help local governments obtain warning systems. The legislation, which would not have become law until Sept. 1, did not receive a hearing in the Senate.
Kidd also noted that there are “no minimum qualifications” to become a local emergency management coordinator in Texas, and operations are typically led by local officials, such as a county judge.
“Today in Texas, a police officer has to pass the TCOLE exam, … a firefighter has to pass written and practical tests,” Kidd told lawmakers. “But to be an emergency manager, you need a signature. That needs to change.”
Kidd also laid out a timeline detailing the state’s preparation for the July 4 weekend floods. About 12 hours before floodwaters began rising, weather forecasters had “no indication” of how severe rainfall would be or which regions would be most heavily impacted, Kidd said. TDEM initially mobilized emergency response crews and resources across 44 Texas counties, he said.
“It was not about the intensity that we saw in the forecast, because we didn’t see it—just like you didn’t see it, just like no TV meteorologist ever broadcast about it,” Kidd said. “What we saw was a giant swath of Texas—we started calling it a belt—of where something may happen.”
Updated 9:30 a.m. July 23
Committee co-chair Sen. Charles Perry, R-Lubbock, opened the July 23 hearing with a prayer for the 137 people confirmed dead as a result of the Central Texas floods, those still missing and the victims’ families.
“The broken hearts and the shattered dreams… [are] not something we can fix in a hearing today. But we can sure show we have compassion and empathy for that loss and that we’re there walking with them,” Perry said.
Perry emphasized that lawmakers would not “attempt to assign blame” during flood response hearings.
“To do so would undermine the very goal of the committee’s creation—the goal of our committee is to find constructive policy solutions which will remit future loss of life, like what our state has suffered over the past few weeks in a tragedy,” Perry told committee members July 23. “Grace, love and compassion are essential to healing and recovery. This one is no different, and our ultimate aim is to heal our state’s wounds.”
The joint committee will not vote on bills, Perry said, noting that House and Senate lawmakers will hold separate hearings to consider specific legislation after gathering information during the initial hearings. Texas’ special legislative session began July 21 and will last for up to 30 days.
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About 2.5 weeks after historic flooding hit communities across Central and West Texas, killing at least 137 people, an 18-lawmaker panel met at the Capitol to discuss flood response with state and local leaders.
At least 17 invited witnesses were scheduled to speak to the bipartisan panel, including:
Kerr County officials will testify during a July 31 hearing in Kerrville, lawmakers said. The committee is also slated to hear public testimony during the July 31 meeting.
Several lawmakers whose communities flooded over the holiday weekend serve on the joint Disaster Preparedness and Flooding Committee, including Rep. Drew Darby, R-San Angelo; Rep. Terry Wilson, R-Georgetown; Rep. Wes Virdell, R-Brady; Sen. Charles Perry, R-Lubbock; Sen. Charles Schwertner, R-Georgetown; Sen. Donna Campbell, R-New Braunfels; and Sen. Pete Flores, R-Pleasanton.
Texans interested in submitting written comments about disaster preparedness and flooding to the committee can do so here.
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